I LOOKED UP THE MENU. IT LOOKS LIKE A GOOD MENU. JUDGE JACKSON: IT'S A GOOD RESTAURANT, THEY HAD A LOT OF EVIDENCE TO THAT EFFECT. I HAVEN'T DONE ANY RESTAURANT TRADEMARK WORK, BUT WHEN I CAME TO JUDICIARY, THE FORMER CHAIR AND THE CURRENT CHAIR INDULGED US IN REINSTITUTION THE INTELLECTUAL PROPERTY SUBCOMMITTEE. I LOVE THAT COMMITTEE BECAUSE YOU HAVE TO WORK HARD TO BE PARTISAN AND IT. I WORK VERY WELL WITH OTHER SENATORS AND HAVE DONE WELL WITH SENATOR LEIGH WHO -- LAHEY AND OTHERS. ONE OF THE THINGS THAT MAKES OUR COUNTRY GREAT IS THE FOUNDING FATHERS GOT IT RIGHT ON UNDERSTANDING THE VALUE OF INTELLECTUAL PROPERTY AND HOW IT COULD CATAPULT US INTO THE INNOVATION POWERHOUSE THAT WE ARE TODAY. LET ME ASK YOU A FEW QUESTIONS ABOUT IT, BUT I'M NOT GOING TO DIG TOO DEEPLY. WANT TO GO BACK TO MAYBE GETTING A SUGGESTION FROM YOU. I DON'T EVEN PRETEND TO BE AN ATTORNEY, BUT I AM ABOUT 30 YEARS INTO TECHNOLOGY. I SPENT TWO YEARS IN BOSTON AT WAYNE LABORATORIES AND THERE WAS NO COINCIDENCE HAVING BEEN BORN AND RAISED IN FLORIDA THAT I MOVED SEPTEMBER 1 BECAUSE I COULDN'T BEAR ANOTHER WINNER. -- WINTER. I WAS WORKING ON INTERNET PROTOCOL FOR ANYONE KNEW WHAT THAT WAS BACK IN THE EARLY 90'S. I DO THINK THAT WE SHOULD GO AWAY AND UNDERSTAND THE THREAT. IF YOU HAVE SEEN THE MULTIPLE OF ILLICIT ACTIVITIES. FOR THE PURPOSES OF THIS DISCUSSION, CHILD PORNOGRAPHY NOW IMAGINE WHAT IT'S WENT TO BE LIKE FIVE YEARS FROM NOW. I WAS TALKING FROM -- WITH SOMEONE FROM THE HALLWAY. THEY ARE TAKING A PLAYBOOK FROM DRUG KINGPINS. THE CREATORS AND THE AGGREGATORS AND THE DISTRIBUTORS ARE USING TECHNOLOGY I THINK IN SOME CASES TO REACH OUT TO PEOPLE AND INCENSE THEM -- INCENT THEM TO GO TO THEIR WEBSITES, TO DOWNLOAD THINGS WITH A SINGLE CLICK. I THINK WE HAVE TO EXAMINE THESE CRIMINAL ENTERPRISES AND PUT LAW ENFORCEMENT RESOURCES INTO CUTTING THE HEADS OFF OF THESE PEOPLE FIGURATIVELY SPEAKING. ONE OF THE WAYS YOU DO THAT IS TO PROVIDE I THINK MORE WAYS TO GO ABOUT, PROSECUTE, MORE TECHNOLOGY THAT WE NEED TO CUT DOWN THE SUPPLY BUT WE STILL HAVE TO DEAL WITH THE DEMAND AND THAT'S ANOTHER AREA WHERE THESE CRIMINAL ORGANIZATIONS AND OTHERS ARE TAKING ADVANTAGE. TODAY, IF YOU THINK ABOUT TECHNOLOGY 10 YEARS AGO, IT WAS A LITTLE ODD TO SEE A CHILD, I HAVE TWO GRANDDAUGHTERS. ONE IS FOUR YEARS OLD AND THE OTHER IS TWO YEARS OLD. THEY ARE BOTH TECHNOLOGICALLY SAVVY. I LOVE TALKING TO THEM ON THE PHONE, BUT EVEN THE TWO-YEAR-OLD KNOWS HOW TO DEAL WITH THE FILTERS TO MAKE ME LOOK LIKE I HAVE RABBIT EARS. THEY ARE TECHNOLOGICALLY SAVVY. THERE'S A REAL DANGER THAT THESE HORRIBLE PEOPLE AND I GENERALLY BELIEVE YOU THINK THERE ARE HORRIBLE PEOPLE WHO ARE GOING TO INFECT AND DESTROY A LOT OF LIVES. I DON'T KNOW IS IT WITH THE SENTENCING COMMISSION -- INCIDENTALLY, THIS IS A TOXIC SUBJECT IN CONGRESS. IF YOU START TALKING ABOUT BETTER UNDERSTANDING THIS, MOST PEOPLE ARE GOING TO RUN AWAY FROM IT. WE DO IT AT THE EXPENSE OF DESTROYING A LOT OF VICTIMS LIVES. UNLESS YOU HAVE IDEAS OFF THE TOP OF YOUR HEAD, I'M TRYING TO GET AN IDEA OF HOW WE CAN MAKE OTHER PEOPLE UNDERSTAND. MAYBE WE CAN SAY THE PENALTIES ARE THE FLOOR TO BEGIN THE DISCUSSION TO ELIMINATE PEOPLE FROM MAKING THIS SO TOXIC THAT WE DON'T BETTER UNDERSTAND IT AND GET AHEAD OF IT. HOW CAN WE EVEN START HAVING AN INTELLIGENT DISCUSSION AND A PRODUCTIVE DISCUSSION WHERE CONGRESS IS CLEARLY GOING TO NEED TO ACT TO DO WHAT I THINK EVERYONE IN THIS ROOM WANTS TO DO IS ERASE IT FROM THE PLANET OF THE EARTH OR AT LEAST MAKE A LOT OF PROGRESS? HONESTLY, IT IS EXPONENTIALLY GROWN AND THERE ARE EXPONENTIALLY MORE VICTIMS TODAY THAN THERE WERE 10 YEARS AGO. ANY IDEAS? JUDGE JACKSON: I ACTUALLY DON'T. I HAVEN'T BEEN WORKING ON OR LOOKING AT OR DEALING WITH SENTENCING POLICY FOR A LONG TIME NOW. IN MY WORK AS A JUDGE, WE'RE LOOKING AT INDIVIDUAL CASES NOT SYSTEMS OR CRIME ORGANIZATIONS AND POLICIES RELATED TO THEM. ...